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Hello all,

I would like to propose consolidating the pages for each achievement diary award into one page, with synced switches for the versions (1-4).
I have an example of what this would look like mocked up at [[User:Ioticonfo/achievement-diary-rework]]. The new pages would be located at the current disambig page, and the existing pages (1-4) would redirect to the new page.

For good measure, I also reworked the "benefits" section using a table, taking inspiration from the RS3 wiki.

Thanks,

--[[User:Ioticonfo|Ioticonfo]] ([[User talk:Ioticonfo|talk]]) 02:54, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

==Discussion==
'''Oppose''' - It's better to be [[RuneScape:Granularity|granular]] with pages instead of merging them, especially with items that have different effects. {{User:Crow/Signature}} 03:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' - Same reason as Crow. Achievement diary items are explicitly mentioned as an example of something to ''not'' merge per [[RS:GRAN]].

As for copying RSW's benefits-section tables, I think this is a net negative. Tables are good for short pieces of information, such as numbers or a handful of words, but become very unwieldy when you fill it with sentences/bulleted lists of content/etc. I would recommend viewing the {{Permadiff|14222305|text=before}} and {{Permadiff|14271667|text=after}} on a narrower window (such as mobile) before converting any more lists into tables.

As a rule of thumb: vertical space is free, horizontal space is not. -[[User:Towelcat|Towelcat]] ([[User talk:Towelcat|talk]]) 04:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
: Thanks for the insight - I've gone ahead and kept the same information (at all times / worn / used) but switched from a table to a vertical list. --[[User:Ioticonfo|Ioticonfo]] ([[User talk:Ioticonfo|talk]]) 04:31, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' - Oppose merging per above. I would also revert the table due to the way it displays on mobile. For example, here is what the changes on [[Ardougne cloak 2]] look like on my phone. This is probably a "good" scenario because there is no text in one of the columns. Generally it will appear even more crowded than this.
{|
|{{Extimage|https://i.imgur.com/6p4l2EY.png||300px|New}}
|{{Extimage|https://i.imgur.com/9ZKB9vW.png|left|300px|Old}}
|}

That said, I think I do like how you organized the info, going by '''At all times''', '''When worn''', and '''When used'''. I wouldn't be opposed to changing the pages to use that organization instead of what we currently have. - [[User:Andmcadams|Andmcadams]] ([[User talk:Andmcadams|talk]]) 04:44, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

'''Oppose''' - I believe there are some pages that warrant mergers based on items being near-identical (and many would disagree with me). I feel like it opens a sizable can of worms. My criteria for pages I would (generally) support merging in such a manner are the following:
* the items follow the same naming scheme
* the items have identical stats
* the items are identical in function
* the items are variants of the same item (charged/cosmetic)
Rada's blessing only meets the criterion of the items sharing a name. They do not all share stats, they are different in function, and while they are ''upgraded versions'' of one another, they are not ''variants'' of the same item. Those three things disqualify it in my eyes from being suitable for a single page. We have many other items that are more similar than the Rada's blessings (such as [[god blessing]]s) and they do not share a page either.

I also agree with what's been stated above. {{User:Owl/Signature}} 11:10, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I think there's room for the base pages like [[rada's blessing]] to be more than just a barebones disambig. I don't really see it as an either/or situation where our only options are to either have good individual pages and a shitty disambig, or to merge the item pages together. We can keep the existing pages roughly as they are while making the disambig more informative and including reward info. [[Special:Contributions/92.40.192.221|92.40.192.221]] 12:02, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

'''Close''' - Pages will remain as is. -- {{Signatures/Spineweilder}} 03:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)