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Hi. I wish to raise a discussion about an obscure template, that I've just discovered. [[Template:Battles]] is a template containing a list of various conflicts in in-game history. It is directly copy-pasted from the RSW and not adapted to OSRS and it's full of dead links. My first thought was to ask for permission to delete it as it is only used on two pages (Battle of Ardougne and Battle of Atarisundri) and of little use to anybody. But it does feel like most of those links should be articles in their own right, on the other hand OSRS lacks a lot of sources and of course some of these events haven't even happened or ended yet. So how should this be handled?

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[[User:Exaldin|Exaldin]] ([[User talk:Exaldin|talk]]) 15:20, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

'''Update''' I have updated the template to better match with OSRS. <s>Still uncertain about the events of the RS-novels are part of this, Lord Sulla has become part of OSRS-lore so...</s> Also there are some events that need better names:

* Goblin invasion 2013 (First goblin invasion?)
* Zorgoth's invasion
* Goblin invasion 2014 (Second goblin invasion?)
* Glough's invasion of Gnome Stronghold
* Jormungand's invasion of Rellekka
* Lizardman conflicts

[[User:Exaldin|Exaldin]] ([[User talk:Exaldin|talk]]) 18:25, 4 February 2020 (UTC)




==Discussion==
'''Comment''' - I think it would be nice to have the articles on osw as well, provided they are battles that happened in OSRS lore as well. [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 15:36, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - I would like for these to become their own articles given that we're able to fully encompass their details; this of course if they're relevant to Oldschool's history path. Would be great if someone big into lore would tackle this. {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 17:17, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - OSRS lore and history is severely lacking on the wiki. It would be great it we could get some dedicated editors to help flesh out the OSRS timeline from the point it deviated from RS3. [[User:Shoyrukon|Shoyrukon]] ([[User talk:Shoyrukon|talk]]) 19:11, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

'''''Comment''''' - The main issue is that primarily we need to find when the split is within the history and what events from the past are different between OSRS and RS3. There are some things that we know are similar via naming convection, such as Ashihama existing within the OSRS worldspace with the upcoming [[The Nightmare|Nightmare of Ashihama]] but then we have Slepe which flat out doesn't exist in RS3 which can lead to issues. {{Template:Signatures/Man_tag1}} 22:10, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
: Well, everything prior 10 August 2007 would be valid in OSRS lore, everything between 11 August 2007 and 22 February 2013 is not. Then it's just stuff that has been added post-OSRS launch which is a much smaller amount. [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 22:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

<s>'''Comment''' - I notice that there are now unlinked battles; I think that if we're going to include them in the Navbox they should be linked as they should be an article. If they're not part of the history, they should be removed from the Navbox completely.</s> {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 22:43, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
: Upon review, I noticed that those unlinked articles are the ones you're wanting to rename... I can't think of anything else to name them at the moment. {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 22:47, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
:: The Goblin invasions are these, and I don't think we need to come up with other names for them: [[2013 Goblin Invasion]] & [[2014 Goblin Invasion]]. {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 18:31, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::I am only in doubt about that because of the discrepancy it creates, when these battles are supposed to be described as in-game lore, the years 2013 and 2014 doesn't really fit in. But I get your point. [[User:Exaldin|Exaldin]] ([[User talk:Exaldin|talk]]) 18:49, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::: Gah, good point. I am not good with this lore stuff. I did find [[Fifth Age]] which has some information. Perhaps these are able to be expanded into their own pages, solving some redlinks such as ''Runecrafting Crusades''. Since this template was, I'm pretty sure from the history of it, was yoinked from RSW, we could use the pages found there for some inspiration. [https://runescape.wiki/w/Template:Battles Template:Battles] {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 19:01, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

'''Closure''' - Pages can be made for the navbox, if applicable to OSRS. Per Mod Ed, Old School is an alternate take on the same universe as RuneScape, and most of the key events are the same, but there are differences in how they come about, as seen in A Taste of Hope and Song of the Elves. As there are currently no known events that are referenced in game prior to the [[August 2007 Archive of RuneScape]] that conflict with established ''RuneScape'' lore, they can be considered canon for OSRS. -- {{Signatures/Spineweilder}} 02:09, 16 March 2020 (UTC)