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Hi friends, I wanted to bring up a very important issue that has been confounding us for a long time:

Should Castle Wars decorative armour be disambiguated as (red, platebody) or (red platebody)? Or even (red) (platebody)? The possibilities are endless.

Please state your cases below and remember to keep it civil, since this is a very important issue. {{Signatures/Cook Me Plox}} 08:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

==Discussion==
<s>You can all shitpost all you like but precedent is ''not'' to put two different properties in the one set of brackets. It is either [https://pastebin.com/GTpfjnLM <nowiki>(a, b)</nowiki>] or [https://pastebin.com/vMK7q8FQ <nowiki>(a) (b)</nowiki>]. {{User:MitcheII/Signature}} 08:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:'''(red) (platebody)''' - to go with Jagex's scheme tbh {{User:MitcheII/Signature}} 13:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</s>
::Could you give some examples of ingame item names that follow this convention? -[[User:Crow653|Crow653]] ([[User talk:Crow653|talk]]) 13:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:::I can't find any OSRS examples (of either case), but RS3 has [[rsw:Augmented tectonic robe top (Third Age)#uncharged|Augmented tectonic robe top (Third Age) (uncharged)]], [[rsw:Ogre flask (mud)|Ogre flask (mud) (6)]] and formerly [[rsw:Dwarf squad (heavy) (defeated)|Dwarf squad (heavy) (defeated)]]. Then again, this is ConsistencyScape we're talking about, so [[rsw:Noxious staff (shadow)#broken|Noxious staff (shadow, broken)]] is also a thing. There are also three items with multiple parens that have no space between them - [[rsw:Anti-dragon shield (mole)#degraded|Anti-dragon shield (mole)(deg)]], [[rsw:Ring of death (i)(o)|Ring of death (i)(o)]] and [[rsw:Ring of charos (a)(i)|Ring of charos (a)(i)]]. Let's please not do that. {{unsigned|I Am Me|14:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)}}

'''Support literally anything but what it was changed to''' - it's not even (a, b) right now it's (b, a) what the hell [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 08:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
: '''(red platebody)''' it is [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 06:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

<s>'''Support (red, platebody)''' -[[User:Crow653|Crow653]] ([[User talk:Crow653|talk]]) 13:35, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</s>
:<s>'''Support (platebody, red)''' - after further discussion on discord, I was swayed to believe this was more logical a choice -[[User:Crow653|Crow653]] ([[User talk:Crow653|talk]]) 15:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</s>
::'''Support (red platebody)''' - yeah nvm, simplicity is better I think, my indecisiveness strikes again -[[User:Crow653|Crow653]] ([[User talk:Crow653|talk]]) 18:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

<s>'''(platebody, red)''' - be normal {{Signatures/ThePsionic}} 13:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</s>

:'''(red platebody)''' - per [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Article titles#Disambiguation|Wikipedia's parenthethical disambiguation guidelines]] - use normal English language. Fwiw, two pairs of parentheses should only be allowed if the item name already contains parentheses, and you'd somehow need to disambiguate bewteen more than one of them (such as In-game (name) (blue) and In-game (name) (red)). {{Signatures/ThePsionic}} 17:18, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

'''(platebody, red)''' - please {{User:KelseW/Signature}} 13:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

<s>'''(red) (platebody)''' - This would keep the table found on [[Red_decorative_armour]] consistent with (red) being first. {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 13:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)</s>
:'''(red platebody)''' - Support {{User:Legaia2Pla/Signature}} 18:15, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

<s>'''Support (platebody, red)''' - Object/most common indentifier must come first, its not even really an adjective here, it is the thing itself, then any adjective modifiers. Most common indentifier being something like ''Fossil Island'' in, ''Squirrel (Fossil Island, grey).png''. <s> imo (red) (platebody) should be (platebody) (red), (m) (keg) is already in that format, mature keg not keg mature </s>[[User:Fjara|Fjara]] ([[User talk:Fjara|talk]]) 14:01, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
:I'm dumb and that made no sense. I switched my example up before posting, Guard (Desert Mining Camp) (coif) is what I originally used. MY POINT is that it listing them either way should be the reverse of standard english adjective+object listing. I think. It's too early in the morning for my brain to function.[[User:Fjara|Fjara]] ([[User talk:Fjara|talk]]) 14:11, 22 January 2020 (UTC) i signed it
:: In-game item name (indentifiers (type, material, orgin(loc), colour, age, shape, physical quality, size, opinion)), a decorative armour that is red(material AND colour) and a platebody(type) therefore fits Decorative armour (Platebody, red) regardless of whether red is treated as an armour type or a colouring.This is my final explanation as i think it explains what i need it to.[[User:Fjara|Fjara]] ([[User talk:Fjara|talk]]) 15:17, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
::following this list reversed: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/adjectives-orderreverse {{U|Fjara|15:25, 22 January 2020 (UTC)}}</s>
:::'''Support (red platebody)''' - per riblet, WP:Article titles, WP:CONCISE, Natural disambiguation supports, if this discussion comes up again, I stand by what I said.[[User:Fjara|Fjara]] ([[User talk:Fjara|talk]]) 18:05, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

'''(red, platebody)''' - colour is the most defining variable here and it's a case by case basis {{Signatures/Starieeena}} 15:19, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

'''(red platebody)''' - by common sense and legibility. [[User:Gau Cho|Gau Cho]] ([[User talk:Gau Cho|talk]]) 17:07, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

'''Comment''' - Jagex please just rename these items PLEASE -- {{Signatures/Spineweilder}} 19:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
: PLEASE [[User:Chen|Chen]] ([[User talk:Chen|talk]]) 06:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
:: [https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1220345714477359105 FYI] {{Signatures/ThePsionic}} 14:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

'''(red platebody) ''and'' (red, platebody)''' - Both are equally valid. In some cases the comma will be preferable, and in others it wont. There's no need to convert everything to one specific format. [[RS:UCS]] -[[User:Towelcat|Towelcat]] ([[User talk:Towelcat|talk]]) 20:10, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

'''(red platebody)''' - This is the most natural and consise option, and fits the best with the Wikipedia guidelines. The same way many of our policies originate from Wikipedia, it makes sense to use their experience running a successful encyclopedia to inform our own style guide. Their guide heavily emphasizes naturalness, which provides the most benefit to our readers by making the title convey the name of the subject like it would be in prose. It would be completely out of place on Wikipedia to see a page title like ''Edward Robinson (politician, Australian)'' and it should seem equally out of place here. [[User:Riblet15|Riblet15]] ([[User talk:Riblet15|talk]]) 06:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

'''Close''' - (red platebody) seems to be the most popular option, so that's going to be the preferred format from here on out, if possible. However, as it is most likely that the Castle Wars rewards will be changed in the near future thanks to our honestly needless shitposting, those will remain as is. -- {{Signatures/Spineweilder}} 02:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)