Wall safe

Wall safe
Released	22 June 2005 (Update)
Members	Yes
Quest	No
Location	Rogues' Den
League region	Asgarnia✓
Options	Crack
Examine	I wonder what's inside.
Map
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Wall safes are found at the end of the maze within the Rogues' Den, where eight are installed on the central pillar in the very last room of the minigame. Players can attempt to crack one of these safes for a chance at obtaining a rogue kit or rogue's equipment crate, the latter of which containing pieces of the rogue equipment set. Cracking these safes will not complete the necessary task for the Falador Hard Diary. Instead, see Wall safe (lobby).

However, attempting to crack a safe open risks triggering a floor trap, ejecting the player without being awarded either reward. Higher Thieving levels make it more likely to break into the wall-mounted strongbox without provoking the floor trap to spring.

Rewards

	Item	Quantity	Rarity	Price	High Alch
	Rogue kit	1	3/8^{[d 1]}	Not sold	N/A
	Rogue's equipment crate	1	5/8^{[d 1]}	Not sold	N/A

^ ^1.0 ^1.1 These odds assume a wall safe has been successfully cracked, which requires passing a roll based on visible Thieving level.

Mechanics

Outcomes

Cracking wall safes inside the minigame can have three possible outcomes: players can either fail to crack the safe and be ejected without loot; successfully crack it open and receive either of the two reward items; or have their Thieving drained by one level, before still being awarded an item.^[1]

The mechanic leading to one of these three outcomes plays out as follows:

Roll a number 0-199.
If the number is less than or equal to the player's visible Thieving level, they receive a loot roll for the kit and crate.
If the number is greater than the player's visible Thieving level, there is a 50% chance to fail and be ejected without loot, and a 50% chance to drain Thieving by 1 while still receiving a loot roll.^[a]
When a loot roll is received, there is a 3/8 chance of obtaining a rogue kit, and a 5/8 chance of obtaining an equipment crate.

Which of the eight wall safes is opened has no bearing on the outcome of the loot roll, and any assertion of a supposed mechanism of rotation is to be considered meritless.^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9]

Equipment crate chance

The chance of receiving a rogue equipment crate through this procedure can be represented with the following formula:

${\text{CrateChance}}=({\frac {{\text{T}}+201}{400}})\times {\frac {5}{8}}$

Where:

{\text{T}}

is the visible

Thieving level

Rendered as a percentage, the chance of receiving a rogue equipment crate from a wall safe is 31.6% at level 1, 39.2% at level 50, and 46.9% chance at level 99, scaling linearly between.^[b]

Changes

Date	Changes
[[{{#explode:1 June 2017\| \|0}} {{#explode:1 June 2017\| \|1}}]] [[{{#explode:1 June 2017\| \|2}}]] (update \| poll)	If you would find a piece of Rogue equipment, you will now instead find a Rogue's equipment crate allowing you to choose which piece you wish to get.
[[{{#explode:13 October 2016\| \|0}} {{#explode:13 October 2016\| \|1}}]] [[{{#explode:13 October 2016\| \|2}}]] (update)	Some messages on Rogues' Den reward traps are now filtered.

Notes

^ As all stats are regenerated upon leaving the maze, the Thieving level drain is of little consequence.
^ Keep in mind this calculation is based on visible Thieving level, which is likely to have been lowered when reaching the wall safe.

References

^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 1 November 2020. Archived from the original on 3 November 2020.
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 3 July 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hey God Ash. If you wouldn't mind settling an argument. Are rogues kits from safes 100% guaranteed if you open safes in a rotation or are they RNG based rewards from any safe?] It's RNG from any of those safes."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 3 November 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hi Ash, I know you've answered questions about receiving a rogue's equipment crate in rogue's den in the past, but is there a rotation or pattern of where to expect rogue equipment crates? Or is it just the rolls described on the wiki no matter which safe you pick?] I see you've been referred to my previous response on those crates. I don't know of any other secret rotation that you're talking about, sorry."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 22 March 2023. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Does it matter which safe I crack when doing the Rogue's Den Mningame for a Crate?] Nope, despite rumours about some kind of world rota that shifts clockwise or counter-clockwise every few tries :)"
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 13 March 2023. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Does the wall safe at the end of the Rogue's Den coarse really rotate counter clockwise for a guaranteed gear crate? Seen in a lot of guides but nothing official.] Nope, it's just doing random rolls. Seems a popular rumour though."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 12 March 2018. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hi Mr. Ash! I got a question about the rogue set. Does it matters which wall safe you open at the end or it is the same chance from every one?] It doesn't matter."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 19 February 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Could you validate if the following statement is true, in regards to the Rogue's Den maze? A successful completion of the maze, will move the location of the Equipment Crate one position counter-clockwise, however, a failure will move the crate one position clockwise.] I don't know of any movement code in the Rogues' Den that'd do that. Sorry."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 9 March 2020. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[would you be willing to verify a theory about rogue equipment crates in the Rogues Den Maze? The theory is that once you find a crate, every successive game the crate is located one safe counterclockwise. It has been pretty hit or miss for me over ~20 runs but] It's not taking into account anything about previous rolls or the location you're in, so it won't get influenced by that."
^ Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 11 April 2022. Archived from the original on 24 May 2023. Mod Ash: "[does this really work for rouges outfit A fast strategy to complete the outfit is to loot the same safe until you receive the first crate. Once you get your first crate, move one spot counter clockwise, this is where the next crate is located.] I don't think there's such a sequence in the code, but you maybe that'll be a convenient way to do your searching."

[minigame-1] 1.0 ^1.1 These odds assume a wall safe has been successfully cracked, which requires passing a roll based on visible Thieving level.

[3] As all stats are regenerated upon leaving the maze, the Thieving level drain is of little consequence.

[12] Keep in mind this calculation is based on visible Thieving level, which is likely to have been lowered when reaching the wall safe.

[2] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 1 November 2020. Archived from the original on 3 November 2020.

[4] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 3 July 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hey God Ash. If you wouldn't mind settling an argument. Are rogues kits from safes 100% guaranteed if you open safes in a rotation or are they RNG based rewards from any safe?] It's RNG from any of those safes."

[5] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 3 November 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hi Ash, I know you've answered questions about receiving a rogue's equipment crate in rogue's den in the past, but is there a rotation or pattern of where to expect rogue equipment crates? Or is it just the rolls described on the wiki no matter which safe you pick?] I see you've been referred to my previous response on those crates. I don't know of any other secret rotation that you're talking about, sorry."

[6] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 22 March 2023. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Does it matter which safe I crack when doing the Rogue's Den Mningame for a Crate?] Nope, despite rumours about some kind of world rota that shifts clockwise or counter-clockwise every few tries :)"

[7] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 13 March 2023. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Does the wall safe at the end of the Rogue's Den coarse really rotate counter clockwise for a guaranteed gear crate? Seen in a lot of guides but nothing official.] Nope, it's just doing random rolls. Seems a popular rumour though."

[8] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 12 March 2018. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Hi Mr. Ash! I got a question about the rogue set. Does it matters which wall safe you open at the end or it is the same chance from every one?] It doesn't matter."

[9] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 19 February 2021. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[Could you validate if the following statement is true, in regards to the Rogue's Den maze? A successful completion of the maze, will move the location of the Equipment Crate one position counter-clockwise, however, a failure will move the crate one position clockwise.] I don't know of any movement code in the Rogues' Den that'd do that. Sorry."

[10] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 9 March 2020. Archived from the original on 31 March 2023. Mod Ash: "[would you be willing to verify a theory about rogue equipment crates in the Rogues Den Maze? The theory is that once you find a crate, every successive game the crate is located one safe counterclockwise. It has been pretty hit or miss for me over ~20 runs but] It's not taking into account anything about previous rolls or the location you're in, so it won't get influenced by that."

[11] Jagex. Mod Ash's Twitter account. 11 April 2022. Archived from the original on 24 May 2023. Mod Ash: "[does this really work for rouges outfit A fast strategy to complete the outfit is to loot the same safe until you receive the first crate. Once you get your first crate, move one spot counter clockwise, this is where the next crate is located.] I don't think there's such a sequence in the code, but you maybe that'll be a convenient way to do your searching."

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